why not to watch "angel" late at night post-caffeine

[ontology]

So, I've decided deduced that sometime during the period in which Angel first moves to L.A. and is getting drunk a lot due to mopeage, he meets the Doctor in a bar, and they have a few beers and angst about the downsides of semi-immortality and the blonde young women who are no longer in their lives. (Also they probably save the world, completely by accident, and possibly in a manner that necessitates the quoting of "The Hollow Men".)

Search your feelings. You know it to be true.

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[faeriemaiden.livejournal.com]

DRAT YOU. Then you'll have to supply the Thing To Save The World From, cos I've no idea.

Angel would find Ten SO ANNOYING at first, it would be hilarious. (Angel and Nine, though. Trading leather jacket stories into the wee hours of the morning.)

[lady-moriel.livejournal.com]

Hm. Well...yes. That would be a problem since I am woefully inadequate at Plot.

He WOULD. Oh man. I would pay good money to see that. Actually, we should have Nine show up at some point during Angel's life--and yeah, they'd probably get along great, depending on when...Nine might harass Angel about brooding and not doing anything, but otherwise, yeah, and then Ten would show up later, and Angel would be all "...who are you? What is your problem?"

Also also--the Doctor definitely knows about the Buffyverse somehow or other, because "The Wish" and "I Will Remember You"? Would have created huge ripples in time that he would have sensed. Which is to say that at least the Doctor would know about the Wishverse and Angel's sacrifice. (On a semi-related note, what do you think about "Father's Day"? Did the Doctor and Rose remember it, or didn't they? I like to think they did, since--well, if it works on the same "eye of the storm" principle the Valiant did, they should've, and...anyway I don't like the idea of either of them forgetting something so momentous.)

[faeriemaiden.livejournal.com]

Well, so I am: hence the problem. I'm not sure if our combined woeful plot inadequacy will give us both the strength to press onward, or suck us into a great black hole of plotlessness, but I suppose it's worth a try? :p

Okay, so, new theory: Whistler is secondary; it was NINE AND ROSE who convinced Angel to Go Forth And Do Good. Yep. And Angel would be all, "You're not human," and Nine would be all, "Well, neither are you," and Angel would be like, "...OKAY." and Rose would be all, "...what?" And then Rose gets grabbed by vampires or something, I don't know. Maybe the Doctor gets grabbed by vampires, cos Time Lord blood is either utterly toxic or kind of magical. Maybe Angel has to use the sonic screwdriver. And then there's rescuing and whatnot and Angel feels less broody and goes off and meets Buffy and suchlike.

Fast-forward several years, and woeful angst-ridden Ten, who has been popping in and out of bars and pubs across time and space (he rattles on about some of them because he is anything if not indiscreet and nobody believes him anyway because he is of course EVEN MORE MAD when drunk), happens to pop into the one Angel frequents, and they happen to sit near each other, or something, and Ten's all "I know you!" and Angel's like, "...um, no, you really don't", and Ten's like, "nope, you're that vampire bloke, now that was an interesting day," and Angel's like "...". And somehow eventually they get onto the subject of why they are both miserably drunk in a bar and they angst a lot and say things like "life is very long" and "between the motion and the act falls the Shadow" and then Some Massive Bad Thing Happens and they go out and stop it. After that I really don't know, except that Angel finds Ten completely irritating and the stripes are sort of blinding (but maybe they could swap hair gel recommendations?).

...I worry myself sometimes.

[faeriemaiden.livejournal.com]

Also also--the Doctor definitely knows about the Buffyverse somehow or other, because "The Wish" and "I Will Remember You"? Would have created huge ripples in time that he would have sensed.

OMG, HE TOTALLY DOES. In fact, he probably wanders over to, you know, check on things, make sure time is moving along correctly, all that. I wonder if Giles' Watcher books have anything about the Mysterious Man in the Blue Box. Maybe he and Martha can have an adventure when he's checking on things. He'd be so casual about it -- "Oh, it's a Hellmouth. Centre of mystical convergence and all that." Martha: "...". Maybe he can use the timey-wimey device. Buffy and Willow and Xander catch him snooping around outside the school testing things with it, or something. And he and Giles could have a nice conversation about whether or not magic is science poorly understood.

Heh. I watched "Blink" today, and the Weeping Angels? Would totally fit into the Buffyverse.

what do you think about "Father's Day"? Did the Doctor and Rose remember it, or didn't they?

I tend to think they do -- it just seems too weird to do things and then not remember doing them. Time reverses and you forget, okay, but what if you're the one doing the reversing? I mean, they all remember the Year That Never Was, yeah? (Who all does remember that, anyway? I only watched "Last of the Time Lords" once, and that was a long time ago -- the Doctor and Martha and Jack, for sure, and I get the impression that Martha's parents and Tish do, but I can't remember why they'd be included in the remembering. I hope Martha's parents remember, cos they got back together, and that was sweet.)

[lady-moriel.livejournal.com]

I think it was everyone on the Valiant--it wasn't so much a matter of having time-traveled as it was that the ship itself was the eye of the storm or whatever. Basically the whole time-reversal thing went on around it, but the ship itself and everyone on it had actually experienced The Year That Wasn't and therefore remembered. (And yeah, Martha's parents definitely did--Mrs. Jones was originally going to shoot Saxon for it, remember, saying that "it still happened," and the fact that the whole family had gone through all this was part of Martha's reason for leaving the Doctor.)